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General Discussion / Recent article about Abruzzo
« Last post by SuperRam on Today at 10:09:46 PM »
Some of you might have already seen this article which can be accessed from the link below. Decent publicity. Can things be starting to get a bit more promising?
General Discussion / Re: Doing business with Italians
« Last post by Lui on Yesterday at 01:23:13 PM »
You could always give him his suitcases and hang on to the scooter until he pays you. Always assuming that the scooter is worth something. Plenty of public transport available in London.
General Discussion / Re: Doing business with Italians
« Last post by fluffchops on Yesterday at 09:55:50 AM »
I'd make two points..
Are you willing to do it without ever being paid?
Would you do the same for an 'English'person who wants to move their stuff over to Italy but wouldn't be able to pay you until they get settled?

Living here, I sometimes think that logic flies out of the window and I find myself making allowances and compromises I would never have made when living in the UK. If you can afford to lose the money, it could be a sort of social experiment!....oh and by the way, I have some furniture and 10 boxes, you wouldn't mind running them over to the UK for me would you? I'll pay you something when I get around to it.
General Discussion / Re: Retrospective demand for ICI
« Last post by Lui on Yesterday at 08:44:25 AM »
Our Comune (Castiglione M.R.) doesn't send out bills at all for ICI, IMU or whatever. It only sends out bills for rubbish collection and as we now know eventually sends out bills plus interest for non-payment of ICI etc.  It is up to the individual homeowner to work out, either with a commercialista or using the form on the Comune's website how much they need to pay and when and print off a bill and pay it. We went to the Comune yesterday and after much head scratching and furrowing of brow the guy there finally worked out what the problem was. Yes we'd paid both in June and December but between those months the Comune had upped the % rate chargeable, a fact that our commercialista was blissfully unaware of! So we had underpaid in December.  "Why does it have to be so complicated?", we asked. "It's Italy", came the answer with a shrug. So we'll have to pay it as it is deemed to be our mistake. It's not much and we should have paid it in the first place (gladly I might add) but the interest is a bummer. I suspect that quite a few will have been caught out as 2012 was the first year the tax was re-introduced after Berlusconi dropped it to make himself Mr. Popular. Two of our neighbours at least have also received demands, think there'll be a lot more.
General Discussion / Re: Retrospective demand for ICI
« Last post by rometony on September 18, 2017, 09:16:57 PM »

Two points!

1) we have a similar demand (with interest for non payment) however the commune admit we may not have received the original bill and for sure the reminder sent in 2015 was never signed for and returned and collected from the post office,I think we were away at the time.
So for sure we are discussions with the commune about this and more than happy to pay what is due however not too happy about paying interest on a bill never received.
2) VV, are you saying that you know of communes that dont send out bills and reminders because they dont want to offend people??
General Discussion / Re: Doing business with Italians
« Last post by Maz on September 18, 2017, 06:18:21 PM »
It would be unfair just to pick on Italians honesty.  A Chinese philosopher when asked 'How can I trust someone?' He replied it is all a matter of how well
you know the person and their honesty.  If you don't know the person there is nothing to make a sound judgement on.  Therefore trust is a metter of
knowledge and not a leap of faith.  The saying goes ' living on trust is a way to pay double'.  Hope this helps.
General Discussion / Re: Doing business with Italians
« Last post by GeordieBorn on September 18, 2017, 05:19:11 PM »
Ask his nonna if he can be trusted!
General Discussion / Re: Doing business with Italians
« Last post by Cassius on September 18, 2017, 05:17:58 PM »
Can you find out if Italian providers would do this?  A couple of phone calls should ascertain whether or not he is telling the truth and if he lies about that he may well lie about paying you.
General Discussion / Re: Doing business with Italians
« Last post by Relaxed on September 18, 2017, 04:49:13 PM »

Oh go for it!
You won't be surprised if you don't see any money - but it would be a very nice surprise if (when!) you do.
General Discussion / Doing business with Italians
« Last post by superman on September 18, 2017, 03:36:39 PM »
There are differences in attitude and approach when one is doing business here with Italians, so I have found. Many ex pats  have experience that a quote in Italy is generally just a guide price and only when the work is completed then they point out all the extra work that they have done.

I have plenty of Italian customers who want things moving, and generally they are very good to do business with. Certainly I have had no bad payers unlike the British expat community here.  Last week I had a young lad call me and wanted a price to take six suitcases and a scooter to London from Frankavilla. I gave him a price and outlined my terms.
At which point he informed me that he had no money to pay me, as at the moment he had no job and that is why he was going to Croydon. He assured me that I would get paid from his very first pay packet. Even though he still had to find a job  in the uk. 
This arrangement apparently is common practice with Italian transport providers, so he informed me. I am not sure if this is true or not, but when asked why he didn't use one of them he said they were too expensive.
I was torn between getting involved with a job where I might never get paid and respecting his honesty, and in a way his cheek.  I am still undecided weather to help him out or not.

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