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Offline 2Heads

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No Visa BUT.......
« on: December 14, 2018, 03:01:42 PM »
Well, the EU has announced that Brits will not need a visa after Brexit but will have to apply for an ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorization System) which will cost 7 euros, renewable every 3 years. Not too bad you may think BUT it will only be usable for a maximum period of 90 days in any 180 days - causing major problems for many of us.
Thanks again Bloody Brexiteers!


Offline GeordieBorn

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Re: No Visa BUT.......
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2018, 03:49:07 PM »
 A lot of water will pass under the bridge before that happens (and perhaps a few politicians) does not start until 2012 at earliest, we could be “out” and back “in” by then :D
 

Offline levissima

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2018, 04:42:26 PM »
2012? Do you mean 2021?

It’s the biggest mess imaginable and yet there are many still saying mount your unicorn and follow me to the sunlit uplands!

Offline the wrong side of the valley

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2018, 06:31:57 PM »
2012? Do you mean 2021?

I was putting it down to the copious amount mulled wine taken in an attempt to blot out brexit.  Its not working, either of them.

Offline GeordieBorn

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2018, 07:38:10 PM »
It might as well have been 2012 and in retrospect with the EU. Yuk mulled wine what a waste. 2021 it is, if it ever applies to us from the UK... ;)

Offline old timer

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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2018, 07:59:16 PM »
It wont make any difference if we are in or our. It has nothing to do with the UK leaving it was talked about a number of year ago before we were looking at leaving. It is going to apply to all countries not in the schengen area.  Originally people were going to have to apply for a visa  but for a lot of countries it has been reduced to a ETIAS. It is the EU trying to flex its muscle. I would be more worried about how the Italian government is going with the EU. If the EU continue to be as stropy are they are I could see Italy wanting to leave.  You all must know how much the italians love the Euro.

Offline IBarfoot

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Re: No Visa BUT.......
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2018, 12:20:57 PM »
To be honest I am still not convinced the UK will actually leave. Funny I managed to travel and work in Europe before we joined the EU, it just took a little longer and required a little more effort but we still got there.
On another front first few flakes of snow this morning in Carunchio, still all is good, red wine to hand a beef in the slow cooker.😉

Offline Venatore

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2018, 01:03:36 PM »
There is much wrong with the EU and it’s policy’s. It does good too but it can be very academic in its strategy’s  and can lack empirical objectivity and nuance required for the greater good. I would cite the common fisheries and agricultural polices as examples.
I remember visiting Tuscany a few years ago and got in conversation with a local landowner. He had spotted me staring at his field which looked for all the world like a ploughed concrete car park being grey, compacted and short of organic matter. ‘Good land’ he says with a smile and not wishing to be rude I asked him what he was going to grow. ‘Sunflowers’ was the response which puzzled me further so I asked if this was good land for sunflowers to which he replied ‘ oh no, very bad, but the subsidy is very good’.
I believe the UK would be better off remaining in as it was rather than its partial or full exit. I also believe that the EU would be better off too having a counterpoint to its rather clumsy at times Franco/Germanic top heavy ness. Think what could have been achieved if the UK had put the same energy into reforming the EU as it had into leaving over the last two years?
I shall also end with a weather report as Prttorano had a good coating last night and the  pistes are open 🤗
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Offline levissima

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Re: No Visa BUT.......
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2018, 04:10:42 PM »
Worth keeping an eye on British in Italy

Here’s their latest

https://youtu.be/hXXwZLy5uKc

Offline Venatore

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »
Thanks Levi
The last line in the video sums it up nicely.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2018, 06:14:21 PM »
Will all non UK residents in the UK then not get medical care?
The deeper you look the deeper it gets.  It used to be 'its just the depth that varies', but as the bottom is yet to be found ...

Offline GeordieBorn

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2018, 10:36:58 PM »
... don't worry yourself until it happens....

Offline Relaxed

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2018, 10:29:26 PM »
Hah! And you thought I was your resident project fear merchant.

Actually, I think she is incorrect in asserting that we will become illegal residents, certainly those of us who can prove continuous residence for five years. I had a long and involved discussion with a migration law specialist, who was arguing about the EU directive 2004 38 which talks about the concept of permanent residence (for which you can get a certificate from your comune if you qualify by length of residence). (He deals with this sort of stuff in the ECJ).
He was more optimistic than I was at the start, but he persuaded me that not only is the concept of permanent residence extended to third country family members of a union citizen (even after the death or divorce of the union citizen), but it is also entangled with the Vienna convention (which the UK signed, belatedly, this year). So his view was that anyone with permanent residence was at least 'legal'.

She's right on the health care and driving licence stuff, though (because of the permanent residence directive, and assuming that it does cover 'us') I think she is wrong on the car insurance front (assuming Italian insurance and Italian reg car).

So we'll see if it does come down to no deal. The crack on this is that May is deliberately painting the no deal armageddon scenario to frighten:
 1). the more moderate MPs to vote for her lousy deal
 2). the eye swivelling lunatic Rees Mogg fringe who want no deal, but can see that her deal is nearly Brexit, and the alternative is no Brexit
My bet is that she'll get 'her deal' through parliament, (but I'm in a minority of about one).

I despair of them all. They really have not understood that 'negotiating' with a ten foot high pile of legal texts simply was never going to work.

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2018, 10:53:51 PM »
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6851_en.htm

While our PM is doing Panto in Parliament the grown ups have been busy.

Offline Relaxed

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2018, 01:11:15 AM »
Yes - and this is good news on the 'legal residency' status. (Of course, it post dates the comments of the barrister in the video, and should calm some of her biggest worries).

On 'visa free travel' I'm not so sure about the 'already adopted' proposal (it's a proposal - how is it already adopted!) for visa free status for UK nationals: if it means UK passport holders will only need an ETIAS (cheap and easy - but they'll take your fingerprints at the border!) than that's my current understanding, maybe this is a 'new' concession, but it's not clear.

Meanwhile, there's something quite amusing (which I haven't followed closely) about all these fridges which the health minister says he has ordered to cope with a no deal exit - if he hasn't paid for them before March 29 (and the funding isn't available until then), he's going to have to pay a truly yuge amount of 'import duty' on the freon type gases which are necessary to make them function ...

Does anybody truly think this madcap scheme is worth it? Please tell me if you do, I promise not to be rude!